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  • 1.  US PI moving to the UK - should NIH grant stay in US or move to UK?

    Posted Mon April 14, 2014 11:08

    Good Morning!

    As noted in the subject, we have a PI that is moving to the UK for a terrific new opportunity.  He is Multi PI and Contact PI on an NIH R01 that just began Sept. 2013.  This currently has a sub award to another institution.  We are trying to determine where it makes most sense for the grant to be.

    Do we leave the grant at UCLA, change the contact PI, sub award back to the UK?  or
    Have the PI move the grant to the UK and then sub award back to us and the other institution currently on sub award?

    I can't seem to locate any information on how to craft a UK NIH Budget, other than the 8% indirect rate.  We have heard that if the grant is moved to the UK and sub awards are issued back to the 2 institutions, the indirect monies for those 2 sub awards is to come out of the direct monies issued to the UK.

    Any information/advise would be greatly appreciated.  

    Thank you 

    Gloria 
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    Gloria Kiel
    Director of Research Administration
    University of California-Los Angeles
    Los Angeles, CA
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  • 2.  RE:US PI moving to the UK - should NIH grant stay in US or move to UK?

    Posted Mon April 14, 2014 16:25
    Great question! Is one of the other Multiple PIs at UCLA? If yes, my instinct would be to change the contact PI and issue a sub to the UK. This would minimize administrative changes resulting from your faculty member's move. The UK PI could still be a multiple PI on the grant.

    It is true that the direct and F&A costs for the subs come out of the total direct costs awarded.

    Janet

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    Janet Simons
    Director, Research Policy
    University of Maryland Baltimore
    Baltimore, MD
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  • 3.  RE:US PI moving to the UK - should NIH grant stay in US or move to UK?

    Posted Tue April 15, 2014 13:47
    I agree with Janet. Another issue to consider why you may want to change the contact PI is that NIH may not be willing to make the prime award to the Institution in the UK. It would be much easier/quicker to get the NIH approval for a sub to an ex-US institution than a transfer award.

    Tom

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    Thomas Wilson
    Assistant Vice President\/Senior Research Admin
    Rush University Medical Center
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  • 4.  RE:US PI moving to the UK - should NIH grant stay in US or move to UK?

    Posted Tue April 15, 2014 10:13
    Hi Gloria,

    I think you are beginning the process correctly and asking the right questions.  The recipient institution has the right/responsibility to determine the disposition of the award going forward.  The F&A issue is one appropriate consideration -- i.e., what effect will the possible scenarios have on the direct costs provided and what will be the impact to the research going forward -- as is the oversight and direction of the award at your institution -- with or without the award staying in the US.  Either way, a new PI will likely be needed at your institution as either the PI of the prime award, or as PI of the sub from the UK.  

    At my institution, a lot of the weight in such a decision would likely be given to the original PI and his or her department.  How will such decisions impact future careers (the PIs, the students, the lab, other researchers, etc)?

    However you decide, each possibility will also likely require going back to NIH for revisions to the original research plans.  So another consideration might be the time involved to process the NIH approvals for such a planned revision.  Transferring an award may take a several months, other revisions may go quicker.

    We usually give primary consideration to the impact on the research and the researchers.  

    I hope this is helpful.
    -Norm  

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    Norman Hebert
    Director International Research Administration
    Brown University
    Providence, RI
    401-863-6791

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